Eigun, I'm just looking for any and all information I can use to determine what I can do. Most of what I have read is too old to be of any good to me. Right now, I'm affliction spec'd and it seems that in 10/25 man raids I put out decent dps, but in 5 man groups, it's severely lacking. I had been demo since I rolled him and havn't seen much in dps increase lately. It's great for solo, but I crave groups and quick runs. I'm just gathering information of any type that may help with making a better decision on spec'ing. Since now I'm running recount and it seems to line up with what gets spammed in raid or group, I can now monitor my progress better. For my spec, I've used Imolate, Haunt, unstable affliction, siphon, corruption, curse of agony then if time allows a shadow bolt or two then back to refreshing dots. This would be on a single target, on groups of 3 or more, Rain of fire is the only spell casted till down to one or two. Pet would be mainly the fel hunter and major glyphs are Immolate, siphon life and unstable affliction. This normally keeps me in the 1400 dps area in 5 mans but jumps to almost 2.3k in 25 man. Although I'm still gathering data on whats best to use in gear, I'm letting my crit go for now in favor of haste and the order of stats that I look for currently is spell power>int>stam>haste>crit. With the gear I currently have also I have a nice mana regen out of it. Like I said, just looking for other ideas.