greenbull

Let me say this...

We need to get our tanks with Shadow Resist for the Luci encounter... Was chatting with Mirk about what we were doing wrong and I believe Green didnt have a lick of shadow prot on him

It's not my fault

The only Shadow Proc I has was the Spell cast on me... :\

I'll do my best to get home before 9PM00

I'll light some candles to Nossa Senhora do Bom Parto, so everything will go well

My original character's name is Alar and is on the same server as the clan. He's level 25 Tauren Warrior and I wish for him to be a tank. I've read a few threads on the official boards about tank builds, but don't trust "outsiders". I'd like to hear it from my clan brothers and sisters. For tanking is the entire protection tree required?

Welll.. There's a lot of abilities on the Prot tree that are must have, but you can do well with 15 points in Protection until the end game (Scholo, strath, UBRS, etc..).

I use a full prot build and tanking is nice and easier, lots of stun abilities, etc...

I'm kinda new at tanking and melee in group situations, so I have a ton to learn. I'm hoping to get Hoofie into some more instances soon to take an OT role and practice juggling my cooldowns while still holding a mob's attention well enough. I don't plan on MT'ing except for an occasional 5-man (between you, Smed, and Taurrior, we've got solid tanks), but I'd like to be prepared to if needed. Only downside to bear-tanking for me is looking at bear-butt for the entire run

I saw a video from a Bear Form druid tanking ragnaros, but well...

I was researching stuff to write a good response, but the folks at http://www.wowwiki.com/Druids_as_Tank did it in s suberb way, I recommend you read it

Also, Green, when do you use your area taunt and do you use it similarly to how you use/save your single-target taunt (regarding cooldown, specifically)? From what I can tell, it can be a good thing for mage AoE situations and possibly as a back-up for when your single-target taunt cooldown isn't up, but otherwise I'm stumped as to how to use this more effectively.

With improved taunt and correct use you'll never get Taunt on cooldown when really needed. Chalenging Shout is very good on AOE situations like Bats on the bat boss (in Zul Gurub) and the Imp Room in MC. Using a shout rotation (like I tried to do wed) can make the imps stay in one place for (number of warriors * 6) seconds, in a raid with 6 warriors, that's 36 secs of AOE. The shout is also good for group savings on extreme situations. But using it as a replacement for the taunt, only on desperate cases

Tanking is vital to any instance/raid, and with some of the 10 men stuff going 5 men on 1.10 the work of a sole tank will be largely asked for.

There's a lot of guides about tanking on the net, o'course.

So, that's they way aha aha I do it.

Stats:

Obviously, Stamina is the primary stat, followed by Strength and Agility. Stamina will give you health points, pretty straight. Strenght will add to your damage and, most important, increase the damage blocked by your shield. Agility is not that important. It helps a little on dodge and criticals, but you need too much Agility to get any real difference.

Defense is a skill, but as a Tank you'll need lotsa defense. As a crude rule (non-confirmed, but works ok) everyone (including mobs) has a skill on weapon/attack, 5 points per level. It means that a level 60 mob has 300 points in attack. As a 60 warrior you'll have (with no talents) 300 defense. It means you're equal to the mob.

Defense skill gives you Dodge and Parry percentages, and if your Defense is higher than the attack skill of the mob the crit chance of the mob is diminished. So, more Defense = +Dodge, +Parry and -Criticals (on you ).

Equip:

Erm... You need gear with a good armor score, and +defense stats, with Stamina. Simple, huh :\

For the end game you'll need about 7k armor and 6k health, and many many + defense.

Talents:

Some people say that Full Prot is not necessary but I think that the Protection tree talents are much needed. Improved Taunt, Defiance, Improved Shield Bash... All those are very very helpfull when tanking and trying to get, generate and mantain aggro from mobs. Some important talents:

(effects on maximum level)

Anticipation: +10 defense skill

Shield Specialization: +5% Block chance and 100% chance of generating a rage point on each block.

Defiance: 15% more threat from attacks when in Defensive Stance (it affects Heroic Strike)

Improved Blood Rage: 50% less health spent on the Bloodrage ability

Last Stand: gives you 30% of your total health for 20 seconds. That's the time necessary for someone heal you or to hold the boss that extra time needed to kill him. Many times I popped Last Stand and then died on the end of the 20 secs, but the boss was killed before I fall

Imp. Shield Block: Get only 1 point on this talent, the 2 other points means nothing and are not worth.

Imp. Sunder: Less rage spent = more sunders

Imp. Shield Bash: 6 seconds silence after a bash. Caster killer. Lots of aggro.

Shield Slam; Good damage, good threat and can dispell one magic effect and can be used disarmed.

Tactics:

Attacks generate threat, +threat = +aggro from the mob on you.

Normally, you'll do the pull. Pulling is an art and you must train it. With time you'll learn about the distance wich each mob aggro, where's the best place to pull what mobs, where to use ranged pulls, etc... I did Undead Strath so many times that I was able to pull 1 mob from a group of 3 in certain parts, just knowing the best place to stay and when to shoot. Charge Pulling is not a great idea most of the time, and without the Tactical Mastery talent you'll lose the rage when changing to Defensive Stance.

When pulling multiple mobs in places like Stratholme (more than 5 mobs each pull) use Demoralizing Shout. Demo shout doesn't generates A LOT of aggro, it generates a little aggro on multiple mobs. The catch is, if you use demo shout on a group of mobs and your group focus on attacking your target, the other mobs will keep attacking you and not them. That's because all mobs start at 0 aggro with everyone, when you use demo shout they all go like +1 with you. If nobody attacks the mobs, they'll be +1 with you all the fight and not mind the others on your party. That's why everybody should be /assisting the main tank when doing complex pulls. The main tank must pay attention and target only one mob and hold until it's down, and try to focus the problematic mobs first (elite, casters, etc...). You must train other types of pulls. Body pulls, ranged pulls, FD pulls, shackle/silence/sheep pulls. In all cases, Demo Shout is good to attract more than one aggro.

After the pulling you must build aggro, and faster. In end game raids it's normally your task command DPS ON or OFF and measure how much aggro you got. The best way to build aggro is with Sunder Armor. Sunder armor stacks to 5 times, so after you've landed 2-3 sunders on the target the DPS can start. After stacking the 5 sunders, there're two chains of thinking: one of them is to use Heroic Strike as the secondary aggro generator, and other is to use the "Shield Block + Revenge" combo. Revenge generates more threat than Heroic Strike, but a critted Heroic Strike generates more aggro than Revenge.

The truth is, it all depends on your rage. When you pull you'll normally pop Bloodrage to get enough Rage to do the initial Sunders. After that, some bosses will hit you so hard that you'll have a full Rage bar all the time of the fight. That way you can just "turn on" Heroic Strike (when you activate the ability it hits on your next swing) and start Shield Block/Revenging. With the Improved Revenge talent your Revenge has a 40% chance of stunning the enemy for 6 seconds, it helps against normal mobs and lesser bosses, but not the high elite ones. Shield Bash is a good ability to maintain aggro, but has a large cooldown. Normally, in non caster mobs, you can land a bash between revenges/Heroic Strikes. With caster mobs try to save it for when it's really needed.

DO NOT TAUNT WHILE MANTAINING AGGRO.

That being yelled, remember: taunt steals aggro for 3-6 seconds, it doesn't GENERATES aggro. If you use taunt on the middle of your aggro maintenance you can be surprised with the mob being aggroed somewhere (rogue crit, spell crit, healing crit on you) and discover that your Taunt is on cooldown. Try to let Taunt ready for when you see the mob running for a caster/healer/stuff so you can get him back. And don't forget to use a high threat ability after the taunt, like a Sunder or Bash, because if you taunt and don't generate aggro the mob will run back to the previous target.

Remember that you can attract the mob using a high threat ability like sunder or shield slam, too, it's just harder than using taunt but it's completely possible.

I think that's it. O'course that there're better guides and better ways to do it, and I can be wrong on a lot of stuff, but well, hope it helps.

EDIT: Information about pulls and Demoralizing Shout

I must say that the run was very very very rewarding and fun. Now, to Lucifron...

It would be nice to define the cost of some items, like, epic set items, misc epic items, recipes/plans, blue items...

For 40 man raid I think that those values must be a little inflated (or the calculations will always end in small or fractionary numbers).

Erm. In my message, Cleanse = Purge

LOL shows ya I'm still used to alliance side. Do shamans have a dispell? Honestly don't know much at all about the class =X

They have cleanse that can be used to dispell the mind control from the adds, but not the Impending Doom, so we need more priests at the MT

And we need 3 tanks.

FR is a must for Rags. FR is a must for the main tank. Otherwise, you can(I know, my alliance guild did) easily do all the encounters without shadow resistance gear and very minimal if no fire resistance gear.

I trust Benim's and Tazzy's Heals

If we worry too much about the resistances now, we'll never start

You have Greenbull after 9:10/9:20!

Actually you can honestly get by to Rags with minimal fire resist gear, if any. Just use shaman totems in each group(obviously you still might have a few deaths on the later trash mobs, but no worries). We can start off if you want by killing trash mobs and getting the MT and OT used to tanking two giants together, facing certain mobs, etc.

Not the MT... I remember trying to get close to Baron Geddon and dying a horrible death

I've only ever played healing classes in there... so um... any other ideas would be grand =) problem is... getting a list of people who will show up, say on a wednesday evening to give those trash mobs a try =)

And we HAVE had it on the MOTD, but people dont read it >.<

Erm... I didn't saw it

We can try some trash mob clearing, but we would demand 40 people, same. Or we can try to do with less people

Today I'm free to play, but my classes started and I get home only after 9:00PM on normal days... :\

We are seriously working on it Green. I have enough ore for 10 dark iron bars. However I cannot afford to buy the Fiery and Lava cores by myself.

Hmmm. Approx. 150g each? Ugh.

But I'm reading a lot about MC lately and to be honest we'll need heavy FR gear only on Baron Geddon and afterwards (I think, not confirmed, but looks like the first bosses doesn't do all that Fire damage). Lava and Fiery Cores drop from common MC elementals. We can start raiding w/o fully FR equiped and use the Cores that'll (hopefully) drop to make sure we don't spend 1K gold getting it from the AH .

Huato and Gordantell have both said they will drop out of Narks MC raid when we can get ours going. Even if we just start with killing the trash mobs, it is a start.

We need to get two tanks geared to the best of our ability so we can get them going with the learning process on the big mobs. We are seriously working on it Green, but three people cannot do it on our own.

That's why I'm asking if the guild, as a whole, want to join the effort. I'll help with anything possible, but it's still being only 4 people.

Maube and Tazzy are attuned. Once we get this off the ground, Tazz will respec to Holy. What we realy need to do, is get people reading and participating on the forums so they can see we are trying.

Then put a message on the Guild's MOTD, ask Vol for a meeting, something like that to drawn attention to the matter.

And I'm not pointing fingers or complaining. If I'm passing this idea, sorry, it must be the way that my tooughts get translated badly :\

Well... is there a plan to make our so dreamed Crusher MC Raid? Like, I was talking to Vanidi last friday about some points:

1) Is there any will to create a Crusher MC raid?

2) If there is any, will people commited to another raids drop those raids so we can count with them on the Crusher's Raid?

3) We need to equip and train 2 warriors to MT. We have a lot of warriors but not all are interested in tanking, speced protection or trained in tanking bosses and stuff like that.

4) The elders and guildmasters, are willing to endorse a "war effort" to make this raid a reality?

So, if mostly of the above questions is true, we can devise a plan, put people to work on specific things (mining Dark Iron, making money to get lava and fiery cores, researching strategies, leveling the people on the 50-59 levels, convincing Haq to level to 60, etc..). That way, we can say like "well, in two weeks we'll get the MTs geared and all people attunned and equiped best we can, and then we start runnin the raid). We don't need to beat all bosses on the first run, we will die a lot, and we will eventually learn and put the first boss on 'farm status', and that will generate loot and experience, and so on... Until Ragnaros. Then we can move to BWL... It's a long term plan, but well, I would love to do that.

I'm more than willing to do that kind of stuff, I can drop ZG and use all my playing nights to help Maube get the dark iron, or to redirect my money effort to get cores on the AH (aside from Arcane Crystals, my current target). I don't care about getting items or money for me, as long as we can make a Crusher raid, that'll be good and fine. O'course we may have to call people from outside the clan, but with work we can get most of the people from our guild.

On a side note, I use this page to drive my equipment choices: http://wow.azzor.com/279/warrior_equipment.php

Leroy?

Nah, he's Da Dancin Queen. Dont ask him, he denies it, but it is the truth. He sings ABBA while fighting. Maybe just an inspired moment in DM, but he was definately serenading us on TS with Dancing Queen. There were witnesses.

Anyhow, Happy Birthday Greenbull!

Thanks, chief. And I NEVAH sang that music...

Feliz aniversário natalício!

(did I get the phrase right?)

Feliz Aniversario.

Aniversário is used for Birthdays, Anniversaries, anything that takes a year to happen

Thanks, Qiris!

And thank you all from the crushers. I'll be here on my 28th

Greenbull 60 Warrior (Prot Spec (41points)) (FR 49) M-S After 9pm Sunday All day (MC)(ZG) Keyed: (MC)

7400+ Armor, 354 def, ~ 5k health (working to get stam enchants)

I'm working on Onyxia key (forgot to loot somnus last sat.. ).

I usually play only 3 nights a week, so I do interest in the two raids, but we can't do ZG and MC in 3 days only,

http://core.eti.br/gallery/v/wow/anqiraj/

The only ones taken while the server was not crashed/crashing. :|

EDIT: Added 4 SS from the end of the War.

Well, my ATi runs smooth, out of the box

Nooo... Getting a NVidia in place of a ATi card is like exchanging a Harley for some japanese clone...

Gain levels defeating other players, click attack on their posts to attack then

HP regen with time.

Honor ta Howlin Wind! Datz da Horde Spirit at wurk!

Erm... I was with them... That's why I posted it here.

Greenbull, Urgali and Grumish runned all the three major cities spreading love!

We got the first vote on the popularity contest:

http://core.eti.br/gallery/v/wow/WoWScrnSh...103956.jpg.html

Thanks to Urgali and Grumish from Howling Wind for tagging along and running all the three cities (and fixing broken hearts!).

O'course, we three are all brazilian 3 hours diff from the server time helps a lot sometimes...

Frog Killer!

Poor frogs ;(