Instance runs, gearing up, and future goals.

[Garris]

Hello everyone!

Now that I am level 70, I've been trying to work towards some things in the future (Heroics and such.) and well, I kinda needed some guidance as to what I should do. Last night I did have a sucessful Shadow Labyrinth run with some other Crushers. (and got some much needed new bracers and boots from the quests.)

What I decided to make this thread for, is so I can ask questions, and well, maybe organize instance runs. but mostly, I wanted to talk about what I should do in the future. for reference, this is my Armory profile, so you guys can take a loot at my equipment, Talent Spec and such: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...wn&n=Garris

So, Other than doing Dailies for a bit of money (I just only have so much time to do dailies during my playtime as it is, but I try to get done what I can.) and the odd instance run when I can get one (I know a lot of you raid, and I highly appreciate any group I can get. it just seems like Pickups for non-Heroic stuff is rare nowadays.) I'm not sure what else I can do, my Tailoring is WAY behind, as is my Skinning. I tried PvPing a few times, but the gear gap does seem to be noticable.

I appreciate any help I get, Thank you!

[Kalea]

Do you have a lot of the Outland instance quests? Those are a good place to gear up for Karazhan, Garris.

Dailies and just finishing your quests are good ways to fill your purse for the flying mount and gear.

I'm not around on the weekends or I'd be glad to help you get those instance quests done. With other geared 70's it's easy to blast through those Outland dungeons.

Edited April 25, 2008 by Kalea

[Garris]

Well, I should be able to get the quests no problem, a few of them I do need to wrap up some prerequisites, but I'll try.

As for Karazhan, I'm just really nervous about Raiding again, back when I did it in the old days with my old guild, it was really strict, and they yelled at people a lot, there was a ton of drama over items, not that I got to raid all that much anyway. but I wouldn't mind giving it a shot again sometime, since you guys are so much more mature.

But then again, I thought I needed to go to Heroics, first?

[Holyssa]

Heroics are an amazing way to train & coordinate yourself for the 10 & 25-man challenges that lie further ahead in life. And over time, you can spend badges on even better goodies that rival today's endgame gear.

And if you have trouble PuGing or finding guildies, the new Sunwell stuff is a great source of money, and the Revered blues aren't all that bad. Run the Magister's Terrace on both difficulties, and you'll be a very happy caster.

For some reason, I get a feeling of nostalgia after seeing your Armory. It's nothing bad, just reminds me of my own mage (now retired).

[Garris]

The few times i have been to The Isle, I, well, I had a hard time getting used to how crowded it is. I try my best to wait my turn to pull the mobs I need, but I still try my best, I just feel a little closed in because of how small the area is, and how many people are doing the same Dailies I am.

I was under the impression that Magister's terrace was an instance and required a group.

I tend to get nervous about how I play a lot, and I fixate a little on gear just out of habit of being yelled at over not having good gear. I tried PvPing several times, and I basically got told by another Horde player in our Battlegroup to "Get out until I get decent gear and L2P"

[Kalea]

Garris, most people go into Karazhan with the blues they get from the instances and quests in the Outland. Shelah's newer group started with people in blues and greens from Outland, as did the first Karazhan group I went with.

I think you'll find that this guild has very little drama about loot. Just work on you quests, the Outland instances, and ENJOY what raiding you get to do. If it's a job, it's not fun.

[Baracko]

The 'Crushers have a long history of "No, you take it!"... well, unless you run with me ;p

Most of our raids are fun and more or less relaxed. The big one is a little more strict, but it has to be.

If you listen to advice and are willing to improve and be patient, I have no doubt that you'll get geared up a piece at a time.

And dont worry about the idiots who yell in the battlegrounds. We all started somewhere, and you only learn by doing. It will come in time.

[Garris]

I don't really care about loot that much myself, as much as it is required to have good enough stats to visit various dungeons. (Though it does bother me when people heckle me about gear in Battlegrounds.

I'm a very patient person, I learned MC/ZG/AQ20 as best I could, and paid as much attention as ossible the few times I got pulled into BWL (usually only for a few fights until the "Main Raider" mages came to relieve me.)

I don't mind PvP, I just feel a little out of place among the epic'd out people, and they'll tell me as much. I'd love to try Arena, but I've heard that it's actually worse than BG's as you need to form a Team, and it's a ladder.

Edited April 26, 2008 by Garris

[Takaas]

Im not even part of Skullcrushers and they always make me feel welcomed on their runs. As for getting yelled at, Ive never seen it in the group I run with. Loot wise, well lets just say the first night I ran with them I walked away with two new purples in my inventory.

Battlegrounds, only advice I have for you there is get a "thick skin". Unless you're part of a premade, there is ALWAYS someone yelling about something, be it people's gear or how they play, etc. etc. etc. I use the ignore button alot myself.

[Garris]

I know you guysare just trying to help, I'm just getting frustrated that instance groups aren't working out. (And I don't blame you guys or anything, I know that you all are busy. but when I try to find stuff like healers outside of the Guild, and they cop a tude and say that "they don't have time to heal noobs." it frustrates me.)

Then there is Tailoring, The first problem is, I simply don't have the sheer dedication of Time Investment to put into making a lot of money, and farming up a lot of stuff. Also, Crafted gear seem to be very temporary upgrades, and it'll feel like my work is for nothing.

And, PvP. It just feels horrible that I have to put everyone on the ignore lists, and I can't work together with people, because everyone won't listen to anyone else's input, and they are just there to "farm other players.". and by the item costs for some of the PvP Items, I guess I don't blame them, the cost of the PvP items seems a little rediculous and it seems that you have to "farm" PvP for a LONG time before you ever feel rewarded for it.

Again, sorry for the vent, but I'm getting to a breaking point, here. maybe that's because I just feel a bit lonely and just want to play with other players that will treat me with some respect. but I understand that you guys are really busy and I don't wish to step on your toes.

[Holyssa]

I know you guys are just trying to help, I'm just getting frustrated that instance groups aren't working out. (And I don't blame you guys or anything, I know that you all are busy. but when I try to find stuff like healers outside of the Guild, and they cop a tude and say that "they don't have time to heal noobs." it frustrates me.)

Then there is Tailoring, The first problem is, I simply don't have the sheer dedication of Time Investment to put into making a lot of money, and farming up a lot of stuff. Also, Crafted gear seem to be very temporary upgrades, and it'll feel like my work is for nothing.

And, PvP. It just feels horrible that I have to put everyone on the ignore lists, and I can't work together with people, because everyone won't listen to anyone else's input, and they are just there to "farm other players.". and by the item costs for some of the PvP Items, I guess I don't blame them, the cost of the PvP items seems a little ridiculous and it seems that you have to "farm" PvP for a LONG time before you ever feel rewarded for it.

Again, sorry for the vent, but I'm getting to a breaking point, here. maybe that's because I just feel a bit lonely and just want to play with other players that will treat me with some respect. but I understand that you guys are really busy and I don't wish to step on your toes.

PuGs suck. Plain & simple. Unless they include some very good friends that want to tag along & help. I had to deal with a lot of VERY stupid healers during my days of gathering tanking blues. But over time, things got better as people looked outside the box and said "zomgz, paladins can tank?!". I still get one or two tells each day or so from total strangers, most of which haven't even broken the +700 healing mark or insist they can keep me alive in Heroics with just Shadow Priest tricks. Better to not always get a PuG 99% of the time, only to wind up stuck in a wipefest for an hour or so.

Tailoring. I'm not trying to discourage you, but it's only going to get much harder once you hit the 365+ mark...especially when it comes time to gather Primals from mobs that don't play nice with specific specs (Frost mage + Nagrand water elementals = /wristcrit). If you can get the Arcanoweave patterns from TK instances, you'll be all set though. Great way to tackle the last few points. As for the gear being replaced? It happens. It's all part of progression. Some of it will last you a very long time. I still see people wearing Shadow Weave or Spellfire sets well into Hyjal/BT progression.

PvP? It's taken a much better turn compared to the days of diminishing returns and Horde refusing to do simple tasks (defending IB Chokepoint, for instance). Yes, every BG has it's morons. I say just roll with the punches and play to the best of your ability. The grind is also a lot less tedious if you grab a guildy: I know Muato & Aleis are always looking for people to fry some Alliance butt most nights. Even my Orcala has me toss a sneaky heal or two when we go gnome stomping.

All these points are just some of MMO-life's little annoyances. Just remember: they didn't put the "Game experience may change during online play" warning on the game box for nothing

Edited April 28, 2008 by Holyssa

[Muato]

Yeah, what he said!

It's just a matter of time and patience. But, it helps to decide what you want to do. Generally, raid gear is NOT PvP gear, and the reverse is somewhat true because of stacked stats, so you'll need to decide what you want to focus on before you gear up. For instance, a PvP mage wants to stack burst dmg and hit points because the name of the game is out-damage and out-last.

To give you an idea of grinding honor points, on average, if you do the BG daily and then stop PVP'ing for the night, it'll take one week per piece of gear. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Generally, it'll take 20-60 minutes to get a win. I generally try to get *at least* 1K a night, and sometimes I push for more if it's a good night and a good BG, or if people rotate in and out of the group. Once you're done the daily, you don't have to keep doing it either...you could, say, join a AB group, or a WSG group and turn in sets of tokens for more points.

Lately, I've been doing Arena, and it's NOT as bad as they say. You can loose all 10 games and still get arena points...you won't get as many, but for an hour invested time, you can't go wrong with that. And with friends, you can all ###### and complain to each other about how that lock was ALMOST dead If you decide to get in on a team, make sure they know you're new at this, and don't expect to win right away. It takes time, patience, learning a new play-style, and getting used to working with the team. One thing though, I would keep doing the BG dailies as well b/c you can gear up even quicker. Arena is perhaps the best way to go for people with limited play time, since you can get points every week with only about an hour time invested.

Raids and instances are an interesting choice as well. You can get your T4 gear fairly easy with all the guild raids and alliances we have going. And if you can't find one, then make one up If it's dungeons you're looking for, I do agree...we might want to look into a 'guild night' where there are no raids going on and people can do dailies, dungeons, quests, etc. I liked Pinecone's idea of setting up a 'dungeon raid' and allowing people to sign up for it, then randomly assigning people to dungeons just for the fun of it!

As far as the professions go, I just collect stuff as I do instances. I don't farm specific things just to level, I just hang out and eventually I'll get enough mats to make a level. No rush really, there are plenty of things to do. Don't get discouraged though, and just remember it's your $15, so if someone is making your play experience crappy, ignore them

-Mu

[Garris]

Yeah, what he said!

It's just a matter of time and patience. But, it helps to decide what you want to do. Generally, raid gear is NOT PvP gear, and the reverse is somewhat true because of stacked stats, so you'll need to decide what you want to focus on before you gear up. For instance, a PvP mage wants to stack burst dmg and hit points because the name of the game is out-damage and out-last.

To give you an idea of grinding honor points, on average, if you do the BG daily and then stop PVP'ing for the night, it'll take one week per piece of gear. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Generally, it'll take 20-60 minutes to get a win. I generally try to get *at least* 1K a night, and sometimes I push for more if it's a good night and a good BG, or if people rotate in and out of the group. Once you're done the daily, you don't have to keep doing it either...you could, say, join a AB group, or a WSG group and turn in sets of tokens for more points.

Lately, I've been doing Arena, and it's NOT as bad as they say. You can loose all 10 games and still get arena points...you won't get as many, but for an hour invested time, you can't go wrong with that. And with friends, you can all ###### and complain to each other about how that lock was ALMOST dead If you decide to get in on a team, make sure they know you're new at this, and don't expect to win right away. It takes time, patience, learning a new play-style, and getting used to working with the team. One thing though, I would keep doing the BG dailies as well b/c you can gear up even quicker. Arena is perhaps the best way to go for people with limited play time, since you can get points every week with only about an hour time invested.

Raids and instances are an interesting choice as well. You can get your T4 gear fairly easy with all the guild raids and alliances we have going. And if you can't find one, then make one up If it's dungeons you're looking for, I do agree...we might want to look into a 'guild night' where there are no raids going on and people can do dailies, dungeons, quests, etc. I liked Pinecone's idea of setting up a 'dungeon raid' and allowing people to sign up for it, then randomly assigning people to dungeons just for the fun of it!

As far as the professions go, I just collect stuff as I do instances. I don't farm specific things just to level, I just hang out and eventually I'll get enough mats to make a level. No rush really, there are plenty of things to do. Don't get discouraged though, and just remember it's your $15, so if someone is making your play experience crappy, ignore them

-Mu

Well, I've been working on the gear thing recently, check my Armory link to see what I have managed to get so far. I miss the old days where you could do a mix of PvP and PvE. is PvE gear really 100 percent bad in PvP? do you really HAVE to go one way or the other?

Other than that, I gotta work on my heroic keys and my attunements for raids, I still gotta get that Kara key. even if I don't have a slot in the raid, I guess it won't hurt to get attuned.

[Holyssa]

Well, I've been working on the gear thing recently, check my Armory link to see what I have managed to get so far. I miss the old days where you could do a mix of PvP and PvE. is PvE gear really 100 percent bad in PvP? do you really HAVE to go one way or the other?

Other than that, I gotta work on my heroic keys and my attunements for raids, I still gotta get that Kara key. even if I don't have a slot in the raid, I guess it won't hurt to get attuned.

Well, it's not THAT bad to have in a BG. If you look carefully, plenty of people wear the T4/5/6 sets to BGs simply because some stats (mana regen, set bonuses, hit rating, etc) outweigh their darker-colored PvP equivalents. However, thanks to Resilience, PvP gear is a must to stay alive and not wind up getting 2-shotted by many of the "flavor" specs (PoM-Pyro mages, BM Hunters, warlocks, Skillherald Warriors, and pretty much any rogue with epics in their hands).

Although a Kara key isn't 100% mandatory (the attunement requirement is gone as of 2.4, but the key is still needed to open the door), I'd still get it to reap the eventual dungeon loot rewards as well as become familiar with the games more patience-trying instances, like Shadow Labs (which happens to be a closet favorite of mine ^_^).

[Nawt]

Garris,

I'll help ya in any way I can. My lock is in the same boat as you. Don't feel like you're drowning alone. Yell for me anytime. I am more then happy to lend you either a druid or a lock when I have the free time.

[Garris]

I would like to offer a formal apology for how I have been acting in the OOC channel and such, I have bennn....complaining about my situation, and I know it's been bothering a lot of you, I realise that most of you guys have little patience for my behavior, and less of you are believing I'm at least trying to do things on my own.

Well, I suppose a good first step is trying to explain a little more about myself. I am 22, but I think it's only fair that you know that I have a mental handicap. I am a sufferer of Asperger's Syndrome. (also known as Asperger's Disorder.) an Autism Spectrum disorder. you can read all about it, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger%27s_Syndrome

I hope this explains a bit about me. now, I don't completely excuse my behavior become of it, nor do I expect any of you guys to, heck, most guilds I wouldn't even expect to even BELIEVE I had a handicap. but, you all have been so helpful to me, and I DO appreciate all the help I've been recieving and It pains me to know that I've made you guys annoyed or uncomfortable. I have social problems, but I actually desire to fit in.

Well, anyway. thank you for hearing me out, you guys have allready shown me more kindness than the 8 guilds I've been bouncing to and to from release of WoW 3 years ago.

[Garris]

After what happened tonight, Aleis took me PvPing and it really put things into perspective for me. that I have to do a variety of things to prevent burnout and frustration. the fact that nobody can robot farm the Frozen Shadoweave or the Spellfire or whateever, without also doing othger things to prevent them from being frustrated. it makes a lot of sense.