Class Spreadsheets/Cookie Cutter Specs.

[Kailand]

Hi,

I've talked to a bunch of people ingame recently about is something an upgrade over something else. There are several class oriented spreadsheets out there, and hopefully we can use this thread to compile them all in one place. As more spreadsheets/tools are added to this thread, I'll add them to this first post. Also I'd like to add what the current cookie cutter raid spec is, to help those less knowledgable in thier class to help them progress into karazhan and beyond, Since I see a lot of people who spend their talents in what is generally considered PvP or solo only and then wonder why their DPS is lower than what it could be. Disclaimer: there are usually more than one raid spec for each class... but the others are usually due to gear levels, raid buffs, or fulfilling a specific role (i.e. tank/healer). I will ask that no one post questions in this thread... keep it to strictly specs/class spreadsheets/tools, as my last thread got a little derailed. If there are questions probably the best place to put them is in the derail thread: http://www.thehonorempire.org/forums/index...showtopic=12287

For hunters, there is a phenominal spreadsheet, that is very comprehensive, and fairly easy to use if you know hunter mechanics. it covers gear/spec/procs/buffs/pets... basically everything to do with the hunter class all in one spreadsheet (as long as your using excel... open office you need to enter stuff manually... a pain). It also has a rough gear upgrade section too (not always 100% accurate, but it is quite good). As for the spec... it is the cookie cutter BM spec, and is considered the highest personal DPS spec in the game, and only very few variations of it are acceptable. and for those saying MM is a raiding spec, it isn't, it's a 5 man/PvP spec. Survival is a raid spec when done properly, but is heavily reliant on raid makeup and gear. As for a shot rotation... for BM it is really easy: Auto-steady, repeat. or even better, use this macro and spam it until the cows come home:

#showtooltip Steady Shot

/cast !Auto shot

/castrandom [target=pettarget, exists] Kill Command

/cast Steady Shot

/script UIErrorsFrame: Clear()

Kailand

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Hunter Spreadsheet (Cheeky's): http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t9816-hunter_s...--_development/

Hunter Spec 1: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...000000000000000

Hunter Spec 2: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...210322300530300

Mage Spreadsheet:

Mage Spec 1: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=obhVZxgGzfcsoeRt0h

Mage Spec 2: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZxgGzfcIoeRtVG00o

Warlock Spreadsheet (Leuler's): http://www.leulier.com/

Warlock Spec 1: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IZsxczIozZEt0tr0zhhi

Warlock Spec 2: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IEMrVMfzVtbocxZxx

Paladin Tank Spreadsheet:

Paladin Tank Spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhxIx0zMgqtVbx

Rogue Spreadsheet:

Rogue Spec: http://wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboxLZMIVb0VzxMGkt

Druid Feral Tool (Rawr): http://druid.wikispaces.com/Rawr

Druid Feral Spec:

Edited June 3, 2008 by Kailand

[Waldonnis]

The best warlock spreadsheet that I've found is Leuler's at http://www.leulier.com/ which I've found to be fairly accurate and allows you to set up several sets of gear for comparisons (or upgrade order ideas) fairly easy. Getting it set up for talents and such isn't as easy as Cheeky's (and do not trust the default talent builds...some of them aren't that optimal), but once you get it set up, it's easy to see the effects of gear swaps and such on your damage.

The only things I'm not convinced are too accurate are his haste calculations and the subsequent weighting of haste. It seems to be close, but not as close enough to be sure he's got it fully correct. I'll find out as I get more haste gear and do some testing, but it's weighting haste as my "most desirable stat" right now, which isn't agreeing with some testing that I've done (it's very close, but spell damage performs slightly better for me right now in my tests).

As for mage spreadsheets, I've tried a bunch of them and they're all entirely too painful to use still. I'll continue to look around to find something good.

For feral druids, I highly recommend downloading the latest beta build of Rawr (http://druid.wikispaces.com/Rawr). It's not quite so "predictive" as some of the spreadsheets, but it does do pretty well for ranking gear in a number of ways. It also lets you edit the gear list for gem combinations and see the effects compared to other gear for that slot. Rawr is actually coming along nicely for other class use as well (has several "models" included, like warlocks, paladins, and mages), but it should be used as more of a "rule of thumb", with spreadsheets being the better reference for specific things like rotations' effects on gear and vice versa.

I have a holy paladin spreadsheet that I'm checking out now. If it's worthwhile, I'll post the link.

[Waldonnis]

For macros, I have one for activating my trinket and casting a shadow bolt. If the trinket is currently down, it still casts a shadow bolt, so it's full of one-button win for optimising my trinket use. It gets a bit more complicated with two trinkets, but can still be done with a little reworking. Here's mine:

#showtooltip Shadow Bolt

/use Icon of the Silver Crescent

/cast Shadow Bolt

/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();

Line-by-line explanation for the macro impaired:

• #showtooltip Shadow Bolt
  Displays the tooltip for the Shadow Bolt spell (max rank). I have an add-on to display modified info about my spells, so I like seeing the proper tooltip for the spell itself when I mouse over it.
  
• /use Icon of the Silver Crescent
  Uses my trinket (Icon of the Silver Crescent). Type the name of your trinket here in place of that. For example, if I had the Hex Shrunken Head, the line would read "/use Hex Shrunken Head". There's another way to activate whatever trinket is in a specific slot regardless of name, but I prefer to specify since I do swap trinkets around in slots for certain fights.
  
• /cast Shadow Bolt
  Casts max-rank shadow bolt.
  
• /script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();
  Makes sure you don't see error info when the trinket's on cooldown.
  

What you'll see on first use of this macro is your trinket activating seemingly while you're casting a shadow bolt. What actually happens is exactly what's specified in the macro: trinket activation, then casting, but with less overall latency. The same type of macro can be used for healing (or any) spells and trinket use by just substituting the trinket name in the above as well as changing the spell name.

A modified version of this that incorporates icy veins for her frostbolts is used by Maube:

#showtooltip Frostbolt

/use Hex Shrunken Head

/cast Icy Veins

/cast Frostbolt

/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();

I have many more macros, such as a one-click misdirection macro on Kelani that doesn't use the focus target, one to keep a target polymorphed/seduced/shackled without having to retarget (does use the focus target), and quite a few other utility macros for my various classes (mouseover lacerate macros, etc). If there's interest, just let me know and I'll post them or pass them along in-game.

[Houli]

I'd love to see them waldy.

Sadly, I've never played with focus targets and I think i should. Could you or anyone shed some light on that area for me? (no Jiris, not your nether regions)

also, on your macro:

* #showtooltip Shadow Bolt

Displays the tooltip for the Shadow Bolt spell (max rank). I have an add-on to display modified info about my spells, so I like seeing the proper tooltip for the spell itself when I mouse over it.

* /use Icon of the Silver Crescent

Uses my trinket (Icon of the Silver Crescent). Type the name of your trinket here in place of that. For example, if I had the Hex Shrunken Head, the line would read "/use Hex Shrunken Head". There's another way to activate whatever trinket is in a specific slot regardless of name, but I prefer to specify since I do swap trinkets around in slots for certain fights.

* /cast Shadow Bolt

Casts max-rank shadow bolt.

* /script UIErrorsFrame:Clear();

Makes sure you don't see error info when the trinket's on cooldown.

can you put the /cast part of the macro before the /use <trinket> part if the spell being cast is not instant? - much like equiping a healing weapon in pvp during a regrowth spell cast?

thanks!

Edited June 4, 2008 by Houli

[Waldonnis]

can you put the /cast part of the macro before the /use <trinket> part if the spell being cast is not instant? - much like equiping a healing weapon in pvp during a regrowth spell cast?

Shadow bolts aren't instant, so it works in sequence as written. If the spells are modified by active buffs at the time of hit instead of cast, then the order doesn't matter as much (honestly, I'm not sure if they are with most spells). If they aren't, though, cast order is important. Something for me to look up...

...and I looked it up! Harne's correct and reversing the order might actually amount to a very tiny amount of extra "uptime" for the trinket (haste and cast time dependent, of course), so I'll be reversing the order in mine I can't believe that I didn't realise this earlier since I've been using this behaviour for over a month with my libram swaps on Jaryndis

Edited June 5, 2008 by Waldonnis