Markenhoof

If we can reliably get to Sindragosa or kill her in one night I have no problem with doing that Tuesday and working on Arthas on Thursday. What I would hate to have happen is 6 hours a week of dying to the same boss fostering more anger, frustruation, and hate then the good it may cause in practice. Morale is already in the crapper, and I cant see having two nights of wipe on Arthas helping an already bad attendance issue. Two wipe nights may be the death blow for some people that arent as motivated to get a LK kill. If you want to only do a full clear every two weeks and see how it goes maybe that is a reasonable compromise. Three hours on a thursday is alot of time to practice one boss. Even then after and hour or two I see concentration fade away. I would love to see a LK kill on 25 before summer starts to get into full swing, but I fear that some people will not tolerate two wipe nights for long before they phase themselves out for the summer to do other things and prepare for Cataclysm. Markenhoof

Hope everything is OK. see you when you get back.

Damn, Sunwell is the only place I have never been, if you decide to go again please let me know. Would love to see it.

I should have my computer back and ready tomorrow (hopefully), I hope they find the ###### who made this virus so I can kick him in the nuts. Can't stand my GF's Mac, but I figured I should drop in in case Jestin pulled the same stunt he did on Ug and "forget" to tell everyone he wasnt going to make it to raid.

I will not be able to make it on Tuesday, my girlfriends parents are FINALLY leaving the next day (cheer) and everyone is coming over for a party. After that I will tune in to watch the Red Wings play a game 7. Should be good to go for raid nights in the near future unless a Red Wing playoff game falls on them. Wish you well on Tuesday, kick Putricide in the nuts for me. Markenhoof

Quite honestly you scare me so i am glad I am a Tree

Happy Birthday man!

I think someone spent too much time in SSC. Can you imagine leveling to 80 with this above you? R Kelly will NEVER live down his "extracurricular activities"

*Points at Zu* Look! That Troll pooped his pants!

Send me an invite if you need some heals. I would love to see that fight and kill him.

I will heal if you still have room for another one Zu.

*Skywatcher's wolf cat sings him Happy Birthday*

Yes I have a few thoughts. Who are you and what did you do with Karrock? 4 paragraphs and you didnt say Monkey or Douche I am kinda worried. Be safe on your trip to Portugal next week. Mark

I have done some research and talked to a few people since I made my original post. With that being said it is probably the BiS for all 4 players regardless of roll in the raid. With threat not being an issue at this time i would lean toward giving the Axe to Foroshell, as he is dps for more of the raid then Ascoli. If we can get more dps out of a melee, without Tyr's threat being an issue, I see that as the best use of the weapon at this time. Markenhoof

I bet the one to the Boss Video and Descriptions does.

One change I would like to see is zero being the lowest you can go dkp wise. I think this, along with a ceiling, whatever it is, 500 or whatever, would promote more people to bid on upgrades that aren't necessarly BiS items. I actually like the zero sum feature, but maybe also giving some dkp on a per hour basis for nights when all we do is wipe on new bosses or Hard Modes would prompt more people to show up. I know it sounds like bribing a bad child with candy but I think it would work to improve attendance. Eroding DKP would also be good if there was a cap on DKP so players couldnt get "capped" and either wait on an item or not attend the raid. Either way you do it Zu doesnt bother me. We will all get a chance for upgrades. I think boss strategy and figuring out why we cant do hard modes that are a tier behind us should be a bigger priorty for most of the raiders instead of how do I master the dkp system for the best loot. Just my opinion, Mark

I tend to agree with the spirit of Kalea's post. We seem to be at a bit of a cross roads in our raid. Those who want to do hard modes and achievements and put in some work, and those who want to ride the loot train and are content to just do the instances at normal difficulty either because A: They don’t want the added stress and time it takes to do heroic mode, or B: Are not able to play at that level either through gear or play style, or patience. I have no problem with either style of play. But in order to keep going forward it would be nice to know what type of raid this is, or is becoming so that we are on the same page. We seem to have two distinct groups in the raid; those who want to push for heroic, and those that are happy with normal. Both of these groups are making it tough on the other because their goals are not going in the same direction. On these hard modes we all need to be sharp and know the mechanics of the fights... even one or two people who have "checked out" for these hard modes make it almost impossible to complete these fights. Before we spend more time and effort into hard modes, maybe we should take a look at whether everyone is on board. Case in point is last night, Zu instituted a -5 dkp penalty for no flask or food... crazy how almost everybody complied for a rather small penalty to there means to acquire loot. If you are here just for loot and don’t want a challenge just say so. If you want to put in time researching fights and mechanics and come each night ready to do hard modes great. But having half of the raid on each side won’t work to succeed in hard mode.

Zu, Are we starting with the new 25 man this week or is this the continuation of Ulduar? I am mixed up on the schedule.

I would like to start out by appoligizing for missing the last two tuesdays. I had important birthday's to attend. I will be missing one more in a few weeks but other then that I do not forsee missing any more raid days. That said I would like to see much improved progress in quality and speed before we consider adding another day to the raid schedule. If we see that improvement as well as a well needed morale boost, I think adding the 3rd night may allow us to complete hard modes to get to Algalon and finish Ulduar faster. However, adding a day to the current situation would, I think, make the hate ramp up worse then it is now. The "dumb ######" that slows us down shouldnt be rewarded by adding a new day for the same thing to occur and create more unrest. I also have been getting tells toward the end of raids by more then a few people, who like myself have to get up at a fairly early time. For these people staying over 15 minutes is as rude as someone showing up 15 min. late to raid. I am normally available before the raid and would rather start 15 min early then stay later. Certain situations merit going over, but it has become far to frequent. Markenhoof

I for one would like to see the whole instance cleared before we attempt hard modes. General and Yogg are all we have left. The more time we have on General to practice the more likely we will be successful and able to get to Yogg. After that I am all for trying hard modes. If Mt. Hyjal had hard modes I doubt we would have stuck with it and killed Archimonde, which would have been a shame, as he was a great kill for our raid. Also the gear from General and Yogg (especially Yogg) may get a few people 4 piece bonuses and weapons that will aid in the hard modes. I view the hard mode bosses as something to keep us busy after we have finished an instance and before the next one is out. The gear is better, yes. But I personally would rather kill Yogg and be able to say we finished Ulduar then "hey we beat hard mode XT". In the next tier alot of those pieces will be replaced but the challenge of beating Ulduar might not compare with our first kill of Vashj or KT but, then can you remember the loot they dropped the first time? One Tree's Opinion

There are pretty bad storms in the area. If I am not online its because I have no power or cant get online. Hope to be there tonight.

I also am an Herbalist/Alchemist